Showing posts with label CSP. Show all posts
Showing posts with label CSP. Show all posts

Monday, January 27, 2025

Pan-Europe wind & solar = stable output

 A most interesting thread from Sarastro on Bluesky.


The past two days we [have] seen something interesting in the European power market: continent wide balancing that is providing security of supply at the lowest prices driven by commercial incentives…

We know that solar and wind and inverse output characteristics. A system that contains both is more secure than one or other alone. This chart from @ember-energy.org makes the point on a European wide scale

 





You can see that on a European wide scale the combined output of wind and solar is less intermittent than solar and wind alone. These charts do not show the risk of hourly balancing though so you still need a source of flexible generation. [Or storage]

This morning we can see that in action. The French grid is importing power from Spain and exporting it to other markets across the French grid in Northern Europe. That’s how you get solar from southern Europe to Northern Europe and wind from the north to the south



 



But take a look at the output of the French nukes: the French have reduced nuclear output in response: they are not just wheeling power across the French system they are managing the French system for cost and using the nukes as a battery




It’s a revelation for those (like me) who have thought of nuclear has inflexible. EDF is showing us that at the heart of the European grid is a huge battery, its nuclear park, capable of firming both south solar and northern wind.
Yesterday we saw something similar with wind from the uk being imported into France and French exports to other European countries
But critically the nukes modulating output…






A couple of points:

  1.  I've talked before about how wind and solar tend to balance each other, not just daily, but also seasonally.  It's not perfect, but on a continent-wide grid (as in Europe) the necessary storage/dispatchable power needed (such as gas) is significantly reduced from what would be needed if just wind or just solar was used.
  2. Like Sarastro, I also did not know that nuclear could be ramped up and down.  Notice that the percentage moves are small --- roughly 20% --- but because nuclear is so large in European generation, that's enough to go a long way to balancing total grid output.  From the top chart, I estimate the seasonal variability of wind and solar together as ~10% of total output.
  3. New nuclear is still much more expensive than new wind+solar combined with 5 hours of storage.  In Australia (without nuclear), 5 hours of storage with 20% overcapacity of wind and solar is enough to provide a stable grid for 99% of the time.    The tricky period seems to occur in July (mid-winter in Australia), when periods of little wind combine with low insolation and high demand for heating, a situation which is called dunkelflaute.  Even though this is a problem only 1% of the time, it would be unacceptable to close down the grid.
  4. The solution, until we get better methods of long-term storage, is gas.  Currently, natural gas, but plausibly, in future, synthetic natural gas via the Sabatier process, produced using surplus green electricity.  
  5. Alternatively, concentrated solar power (CSP) may do the trick.  Vast Solar, an Australian company, is busy constructing a CSP plant at Port Augusta in South Australia (on the edge of the desert, with lots of sunshine and heat --- CSP doesn't just use light, as solar panels do, it also uses infra-red, otherwise known as heat.)  CSP provides much more storage than batteries (1 hours compared with 4), so is much cheaper for long duration storage.  (Now called Vast Energy, the 30 MW CSP plant is yet to be started, with start-up now planned for Q2/2025.  However, they will now be co-producing green methanol at the plant as well)

Sunday, July 14, 2024

Ball Gates's Natrium Reactor

 A nice summary from Sabine Hossenfelder of the new sodium-cooled reactor, plus also a detour to explain why you can ramp conventional nuclear up and down (slowly), but it's not very efficient to do so.  

Sodium-cooled reactors are simpler and safer than conventional reactors.  According to TerraPower's website, its reactor will be 3 times as efficient as light-water reactors, and produce 40% less waste.  It operates at atmospheric pressure instead of being highly pressurised, so should be much safer.    They're also promising much faster construction – 36 months from nuclear concrete pour to fuel load.  Compare that with the 15–20 years large conventional reactors take.  It will also use 50% less safety-related concrete, steel and labour.  In other words, it's likely to be much cheaper than conventional reactors.

Concentrated solar power (CSP) came unstuck because the tanks cracked because of the expansion and contraction as molten salt was fed in and then withdrawn.  So this new reactor will face the same problem.   Vast Solar (now Vast Energy), an Ozzie start-up, claims it has solved this problem (see my piece:  Concentrated solar power revived?)  Perhaps they're talking to each other?


 



Friday, April 12, 2024

Is renewable energy cheaper than fossil fuels?

Answer:  Mostly, yes, but there are complications


From The Climate Brink.


Is renewable energy (RE) cheaper than fossil fuels?


To begin to answer this, we need to define what cost we’re talking about. Let’s first talk about the cost of RE energy vs. fossil-fuel energy on a grid that’s dominated by dispatchable power, such as fossil fuels. This is what most electrical grids are like today.

 

For a grid dominated by dispatchable power (i.e., power sources that can be turned on or off at will), the intermittency of wind and solar imposes no costs. Thus, the relevant cost comparison is between the so-called Levelized Cost of Energy (LCOE) of the various energy sources:




Virtually all credible analyses agree that RE has the lowest LCOE. Therefore, it is the cheapest energy source for grids that contain a lot of dispatchable power.

 

This explains why, for example, 95% of the power scheduled to be hooked up to the ERCOT (Texas) grid is RE (solar, wind, or batteries). Natural gas is 5%.

 

For a grid that’s mainly fossil fuels, every kW of renewable power (RE) you add displaces a kW of expensive and dirty fossil fuel power. But, as the grid gets more and more RE, that changes. At high levels of RE deployment, the intermittency of the wind and solar means that you need to add several kW of wind and solar to displace a single kW of fossil fuels. This drives up the marginal cost of RE energy.

 

In addition, high RE levels mean that RE is competing with the most efficient and cheap fossil-fuel generation, some of which have not yet been paid off. Additionally, the more RE you add, remaining RE sites are higher cost and lower quality.

The net result is that, beyond some point, the price of energy on the grid starts increasing as you add RE. Qualitatively, the price of electricity vs. RE deployment looks like this:


Right now, around 20% of our electricity comes from wind and solar and this is already saving consumers billions of dollars a year. As we increase RE deployment, the price of electricity will continue to decline and consumers save money.

 

Then we reach the minimum price point. One study from NREL concluded that this occurs when RE penetration reaches 57% (in 2050). At this point, electricity produced on this grid is cheaper than a fossil-fuel heavy grid and, as a bonus, we’re also emitting a lot less CO2.

 

As we move beyond 57%, the declining value of wind and solar to the grid means the price of energy increases. However, it remains below what we’re paying today for a fossil fuel grid until we get to around 90% RE.

 

Let me repeat for those in the backrow: we can get to a 90% RE grid and pay about the same as we’d pay with a fossil-fuel heavy grid. And this doesn’t account for the external costs of fossil fuels (see below).

A significant amount of the discourse about RE focuses on the cost of achieving net zero by 2050, which requires completely eliminating fossil fuels. No one knows how much this will cost, but some studies have produced eye-popping numbers: 



Many analyses have looked at this goal and they agree that a lot of the costs of reaching net zero are driven by the cost of phasing out the last few percent of fossil fuels. The reason is that the last few percent of emissions are the hardest to abate and the ones for which technology to replace fossil fuels is expensive or undeveloped. For example, decarbonizing long-distance airline flights is one of the last things we’ll decarbonize because it would probably require biofuels, which could have very high costs.

 

This is quantified in this plot, which shows the incremental abatement cost (orange line) as a function of how much RE is on the grid. For a 95%-RE grid, the abatement cost is $200/tonne, increasing to $930/tonne for 100% RE.


Figure 1 of Cole et al.

Thus, it’s easy to look at the price tag for getting to net zero and conclude, “Wow, this is too expensive.” But that misses the fact that the cost of getting to a slightly lower value, e.g., a 90% clean-energy grid, is actually quite modest.

 

These net-zero estimates also hinge heavily on future innovation — a variable notoriously difficult to predict. History has shown us, particularly in the last decade, that technological advancements can drastically outpace predictions, as seen with the enormous drop in the cost of solar panels, which no one predicted.


 

External costs

All of these discussions focus on the market price of energy. Such a discussion neglects the extensive subsidies that distort the energy market. While RE sources receive financial support, the subsidies for fossil fuels are substantially larger and more ingrained within global economies.

 

Moreover, the price of fossil fuels seldom reflects their full societal costs — what economists call externalities. Recent estimates of the cost of climate impacts puts it around $185/ton of CO2 emitted. These costs are not included in the cost of fossil fuels.

 

Air pollution from fossil fuels kills millions of people every year. Like the climate impacts, the costs of this are not included in the price. Fossil fuels have also been linked to significant political and social instability. For instance, the U.S. invaded the Middle East twice in the last 35 years in order to stabilize the oil supply. The Russian invasion of Ukraine is intimately tied to fossil fuels. These costs are also not included in the costs of fossil fuels.

 

If we added these externalized costs to the cost of fossil fuels, the argument increasingly tilts in favor of RE.

 

Summary

In any complex discussion, you need to carefully define the question you’re asking. Much of the discussion around renewable energy focuses on net zero, because that’s what we ultimately need to aim for. We really don’t know how much achieving net zero by 2050 will cost because it will depend to a large extent on future innovation.

 

But a large chunk of the cost of net zero is driven by the last few percent of decarbonization. If you talk about, say, a 90% clean grid, the cost of achieving that using today’s technology is approximately zero. And this cost comparison excludes the external costs of fossil fuels: climate impacts, air pollution, geopolitical instability. Taking all factors of those into account, there’s no question that we can largely decarbonize today and end up with a better economy and cleaner environment.

 

I found this article extremely enlightening.  It put into words something which I had only intuitively understood.  But it highlights how the cheapest RE now might not be the cheapest RE in 2040 (ignoring of course technological advances).  For example, CSP (concentrated solar power) is more expensive than solar panels.  However, it can produce dispatchable electricity, which means it will be very valuable for that last 10% of electricity supply.  Another example:  SMRs (small modular reactors) are prolly 3 or 4 times as expensive as solar, now.  But to convert solar into dispatchable power would require at least 12 hours of storage.  That's still very expensive, though no doubt battery costs will continue to decline.  But so might the costs of SMRs.  Again, for that last 10%, SMRs might be the answer.    Yet another example: power-to-gas.  Using green methane (produced using green electricity to make hydrogen by electrolysis, which is then converted into methane by the Sabatier process) to run peaking gas plants will be expensive, but again, makes sense for the last 10%.

We may have an answer sooner than we thought.   The state of South Australia has been steadily increasing the percentage of renewables in its grid for 17 years.  So far this year, it has averaged 75%.  It could reach 100% within 5 years.  Now, this isn't a perfect test for how high renewables can go, because SA (unlike, say, Texas) has high-voltage links with other grids, so it can buy or sell power to the other states.  Nevertheless, we will get a clear idea of the issues quite soon.  

Sunday, July 9, 2023

Renewables costs rise .....

 .... but so do coal and gas costs. 

It seemed as if Lazard had stopped producing their famous LCOE (levelised cost of electricity) calculations when they released no estimates in 2021 and 2022.  This was a great pity, because although there are others (e.g., BNEF, IRENA) who produce estimates of the cost of electricity from renewables, Lazard has been doing it on a consistent basis for 15 years.  But all at once they came out with their latest estimates a few weeks ago.  There have been some small changes in format and some additional data.  For example, they now release the LCOEs of wind and solar with and without four hours of storage.  Four hours storage is enough to take us to 80-90% renewables on a mixed grid with a blend of wind and solar.  

To reach 100% requires seasonal storage for times when it is windless, cloudy, and cold, called (who knows why?) "dunkelflaute" (pronounced doonkelflowta, which is, mysteriously, German for "dark flute")  To put it differently, there are rare occasions (10 to 20 days a year) when renewables output, even with 4 hours of storage, will not keep the grid going in the face of high demand and low renewables output.  We might only need a couple of weeks of long-term storage and only use it a few times a year, but that is prodigiously expensive using li-ion batteries (it may be much cheaper using vanadium-flow batteries, which don't suffer from "vampire drain").  

Michael Liebreich here mentions green ammonia as a fuel for long-duration storage.  I've talked about using the Sabatier process before to produce green methane, for the same purpose.  But making green ammonia is easier, because it is much easier and cheaper to extract nitrogen from the atmosphere than to extract carbon dioxide.  Lazard does not cost green ammonia for long-duration storage, so I haven't included it.  I have however estimated a wind+solar system with 10% peaking gas, in effect using natural gas as long-term storage.  Actual green methane (synthetic natural gas) or ammonia would be at least twice as expensive.   On the other hand, most of the cost of peaking gas is capital cost, because the plant and equipment has to be ready to go at all times, but it's only used for 10% (or less) of the time.  In that context, fuel cost is less important.

Lazard no longer provides an estimate of the cost of CSP (concentrated solar power), presumably because the company now developing it is in Australia.  That company, Vast Solar, is cagey about the plant’s LCOE, but describes it as "competitive".  It will provide 10 hours+ of storage, which means it's not competing directly with wind and solar with just 4 hours of storage, but with long-duration storage, which is more expensive.  $140/MWh? That's what Lazard was estimated for CSP 5 years ago.  

In addition, I have added a column for NuScale's small modular reactor, assuming 80% wind and solar and 20% SMR nuclear, and using the most recent data for its LCOE.    As the percentage of wind and solar increases in the grid, the need for long-term storage increases, especially at high latitudes, so that's where nuclear may be needed to reach 100% carbon-free generation.   Unlike the giant old-fashioned nuclear plants, the NuScale SMR can be ramped up and down (by 40% per hour), which would make it easily fit in with a mostly renewable grid.  Given the costs of long-duration storage, the NuScale SMR would be cost-effective, provided NuScale can prevent any further rise in its LCOE, which like all other LCOEs has risen sharply in response to supply chain difficulties.

As always, Lazard covers only the US.  But these markets are global, except for gas, which is much cheaper in the US than in the rest of the world.

The rise in LCOEs of renewables is mostly due to supply chain difficulties, caused by Covid and the war on Ukraine.   I suppose we can assume that these difficulties will gradually disappear, and the trend of steady declines in costs will continue.  Even as they stand, however, new-build wind and solar, with 4 hours of storage, remain cheaper than new-build coal, and comparable to new-build baseload gas (remembering that gas is a lot cheaper in the US than in Europe)  Lazard also comments that a large gap has opened up between large and small projects, with larger projects located at the bottom of the costing columns in the chart below.

All these data are before tax and subsidy and also a price on carbon emissions.



Observe that even the marginal costs (i.e., ignoring capital costs, depreciation, debt repayment and interest rates)  of coal are on average above the total costs of brand-new wind and solar farms.   A mere 10% fall in the costs of new-build wind and solar with 4 hours of storage would make them cheaper than new-build baseload gas, even in the US.  

The rise in the renewable percentage is likely to continue, even though costs have temporarily risen,